Allow me to explain that.
Grouping is an old mechanic that's been in every MMORPG game out there. Get some friends, group up, and do stuff together. But this is old and flawed. Like most RPG foundations it goes back to the mindset from Dungeons & Dragons of old where a fellowship of adventures together delve into a dungeon to beat the monsters, find treasure, and gain experience to improve their abilities. The more people in your fellowship, the easier the challenges.
Nothing wrong with that. Except we're not playing with paper, pencil, and our imaginations here. A video game is a whole other animal. Finding others can be hard to do sometimes if you play at weird times. Even if there is other people around they might not be in a level range for it to be appropriate for the two of you to join together. Plus typically there is the mechanic of grouping causing experience and rewards to be split among the group. If a player can kill the same beast by themselves and reap full reward, why bother splitting the goods with someone else who doesn't significantly help? Especially when the difference between killing by yourself and with even a full group is a time-savings of just a few seconds? Why bother at all?
Even worse is that all MMO's these days are trying to be World of Warcraft were all advancement is based on doing quests. This is nice for a solo experience, but we're playing an online game that we pay a monthly fee to access. If we're playing alone, why not save our money and play an offline RPG that only has a one-time purchase fee? The problem with trying to group while playing quests is that even if a player is around while you are, in the same area you are, and even at the same level of experience you are, if you two are on different quests there is next to no reason at all for you to even consider working together. Especially since in WoW the difference between a solo and a duo kill is about 10 seconds at most. Seriously, there is literally no reason in the world why you would even bother.
So how does ending grouping help with this? Simple, everyone around you is in a group. You help someone, you gain reward even if you aren't "grouped" with them. Heal someone about to die? You get some experience. Jump in when someone is having a tough fight? You get experience. You see someone working on a quest you are? Don't bother trying to set up a group, just jump in and fight. And for the spoils or loot, everyone gets their own. Exploitable, too easy? Who cares? You're helping others, why not reap greater reward even if it was just for a moment?
Why not encourage helping others instead of penalizing it, which is what modern MMO's essentially do. Remove this group mechanic and all the archaic BS that comes with it like splitting reward and experience. Reward player to player interaction, no matter how small or brief it may be. People who would never interact would suddenly find themselves running around together, maybe even striking up a friendship.
The Public Quests of Warhammer Online were something like this. Guild Wars 2 is looking as though they've learned some of these lessons and are applying some of the same ideas into the game. But as it's still in development it remains to be seen how it will play out in practice. I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Monday, October 25, 2010
Saturday, October 23, 2010
The Old Republic Will Be a Success...and a Failure
tl;dr SWTOR will be a good video game but a lousy MMO.
That's pretty much what I'm thinking these days. When the game was announced, Knights of the Old Republic fans everywhere either rejoiced or, and more likely from my observations, wrung their hands in anger at the fact that there would be no KOTOR 3 just this MMO. But those KOTOR fans should now rejoice as it is looking clear that the game we will get is very much KOTOR 3. The MMO fans on the other hand should look forward to some hand wringing.
Every indication seems to point to an emphasis on the single-player experience. The focus is on story, you are typically strong enough to take on groups of enemies by yourself, you get an NPC partner to help you out, the space portion of the game is a rail shooter, etc.
So far I've heard naught about how players will interact with each other, save for being able to make a story line comment here and there if in a group. And that's only on the repeatable side quests that don't matter much to your overall story. No word on crafting and I'm not assuming there will be much beyond the item upgrade feature of the first two KOTOR games.
Now this lack of player interaction doesn't mean it will be a bad game, just that it will be a bad online game. From day one the devs of this project have been wetting themselves over talking about how wonderful you'll think the story is as you solo the whole game. As far as I can tell the most player interaction you'll have is seeing another player run by you when you're walking through a non-instanced area.
Sure I could be wrong, but so far I'm not. If I am I welcome anyone to come and point out to me the error of my admitted assumption. Until then I will hold the theory that SWTOR is a single-player game with a monthly subscription fee.
I suppose that's one way to get around piracy.
That's pretty much what I'm thinking these days. When the game was announced, Knights of the Old Republic fans everywhere either rejoiced or, and more likely from my observations, wrung their hands in anger at the fact that there would be no KOTOR 3 just this MMO. But those KOTOR fans should now rejoice as it is looking clear that the game we will get is very much KOTOR 3. The MMO fans on the other hand should look forward to some hand wringing.
Every indication seems to point to an emphasis on the single-player experience. The focus is on story, you are typically strong enough to take on groups of enemies by yourself, you get an NPC partner to help you out, the space portion of the game is a rail shooter, etc.
So far I've heard naught about how players will interact with each other, save for being able to make a story line comment here and there if in a group. And that's only on the repeatable side quests that don't matter much to your overall story. No word on crafting and I'm not assuming there will be much beyond the item upgrade feature of the first two KOTOR games.
Now this lack of player interaction doesn't mean it will be a bad game, just that it will be a bad online game. From day one the devs of this project have been wetting themselves over talking about how wonderful you'll think the story is as you solo the whole game. As far as I can tell the most player interaction you'll have is seeing another player run by you when you're walking through a non-instanced area.
Sure I could be wrong, but so far I'm not. If I am I welcome anyone to come and point out to me the error of my admitted assumption. Until then I will hold the theory that SWTOR is a single-player game with a monthly subscription fee.
I suppose that's one way to get around piracy.
Friday, October 22, 2010
EverQuest Extended; SOE Fails Again
Originally posted here on 10/06/2010.
SOE has a long history of observing another company's success, focusing on one aspect of said success (typically one that while visible has little to do with the result), and completely botching it all together by missing the point entirely. Then they typically want to be praised and get rather petulant when people point out how badly they've failed yet again.
Sony's latest debacle is EverQuest Extended, a free to play version of the dying EverQuest 2. Now I'm sure they decided to try this based on the success of game like Dungeons & Dragons Online which experienced a revival after it went F2P (free to play). But, as with all things, they saw the success but for the life of them apparently were unable to divine why DDO was successful.
You see, in EverQuest Extended you have four tiers of customers based on how much one is willing to pay. Pay nothing and you are Bronze. Access to the game and all its content save advancement halted 10 levels below the cap, skills can only attain the status of adept (being unable to gain master skills), and the best gear cannot be used. That doesn't sound so bad, you're probably thinking. And you'd be right, if those were the only limitations. And here is where we get to why this effort will not bear the fruit SOE hopes for. Player to player interaction limitations.
Take a moment to consider that.
A Bronze player cannot access the chat channels, you can only talk to players who happen to be standing around you. Also you cannot access the broker which is the primary way players buy and sell items from each other. Oh, and the amount of money your character can carry is severely limited. Pay $10 one time and upgrade to Silver status. You still have these limitations.
Every other F2P game out there does not do this. It is so standard a feature of the MMO world that one expects to be able to at least do these things. But not SOE, who fancy themselves innovators. Why play a game where you can talk to others for free and carry as much money as you can and buy and sell freely when you can pay SOE for those privileges?
I understand they want to make a buck and they've every right to. But this won't work. Sure, they'll have a few diehards who will cling to the game and pay. Even their abysmal Matrix MMO had people playing to the end. Star Wars Galaxies chugs on to my and nearly everyone else's surprise. But the success of DDO? Hell no. Not going to happen.
The whole point of F2P is a larger community to interact with. That's it in a nutshell, really. Free players are not a burden or even customers waiting to happen but a feature of the game just as graphics, content, and expansions. They are there to bring in paying customers. Nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd. Who wants to play an online game alone? Even if you just want to PvP or be better than everyone else, you still are interacting with other players. This is the advantage of F2P, this why it exists, this is why it works. Almost any F2P game out there you can find others to group with or interact with at all hours of the day.
I won't even go into the cash shop. If you guess "horribly over-priced" give yourself a cookie. Apparently selling an armor appearance set for $10 to 10 people means more to them than selling the same thing to 1000 for $1. I guess watching the spectacular rise and fall of Allods Online provided SOE no lessons to be learned.
Sigh.
EDIT:
I'd like to give an addendum to my post as a recent change by SOE now allows Silver tiered players to make unlimited purchases from the in-game Broker. Deffo a step in the right direction and a positive sign that they might be listening to some of the criticism. You still have to buy with real money tokens to sell, and to pay a one time charge of $10 to attain Silver status, but still a change that makes the game more accessible to a larger number of players without costing them as much as it had.
SOE has a long history of observing another company's success, focusing on one aspect of said success (typically one that while visible has little to do with the result), and completely botching it all together by missing the point entirely. Then they typically want to be praised and get rather petulant when people point out how badly they've failed yet again.
Sony's latest debacle is EverQuest Extended, a free to play version of the dying EverQuest 2. Now I'm sure they decided to try this based on the success of game like Dungeons & Dragons Online which experienced a revival after it went F2P (free to play). But, as with all things, they saw the success but for the life of them apparently were unable to divine why DDO was successful.
You see, in EverQuest Extended you have four tiers of customers based on how much one is willing to pay. Pay nothing and you are Bronze. Access to the game and all its content save advancement halted 10 levels below the cap, skills can only attain the status of adept (being unable to gain master skills), and the best gear cannot be used. That doesn't sound so bad, you're probably thinking. And you'd be right, if those were the only limitations. And here is where we get to why this effort will not bear the fruit SOE hopes for. Player to player interaction limitations.
Take a moment to consider that.
A Bronze player cannot access the chat channels, you can only talk to players who happen to be standing around you. Also you cannot access the broker which is the primary way players buy and sell items from each other. Oh, and the amount of money your character can carry is severely limited. Pay $10 one time and upgrade to Silver status. You still have these limitations.
Every other F2P game out there does not do this. It is so standard a feature of the MMO world that one expects to be able to at least do these things. But not SOE, who fancy themselves innovators. Why play a game where you can talk to others for free and carry as much money as you can and buy and sell freely when you can pay SOE for those privileges?
I understand they want to make a buck and they've every right to. But this won't work. Sure, they'll have a few diehards who will cling to the game and pay. Even their abysmal Matrix MMO had people playing to the end. Star Wars Galaxies chugs on to my and nearly everyone else's surprise. But the success of DDO? Hell no. Not going to happen.
The whole point of F2P is a larger community to interact with. That's it in a nutshell, really. Free players are not a burden or even customers waiting to happen but a feature of the game just as graphics, content, and expansions. They are there to bring in paying customers. Nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd. Who wants to play an online game alone? Even if you just want to PvP or be better than everyone else, you still are interacting with other players. This is the advantage of F2P, this why it exists, this is why it works. Almost any F2P game out there you can find others to group with or interact with at all hours of the day.
I won't even go into the cash shop. If you guess "horribly over-priced" give yourself a cookie. Apparently selling an armor appearance set for $10 to 10 people means more to them than selling the same thing to 1000 for $1. I guess watching the spectacular rise and fall of Allods Online provided SOE no lessons to be learned.
Sigh.
EDIT:
I'd like to give an addendum to my post as a recent change by SOE now allows Silver tiered players to make unlimited purchases from the in-game Broker. Deffo a step in the right direction and a positive sign that they might be listening to some of the criticism. You still have to buy with real money tokens to sell, and to pay a one time charge of $10 to attain Silver status, but still a change that makes the game more accessible to a larger number of players without costing them as much as it had.
MMO Hell
A place for me to rant about Massive Multi-player Online games. Cross-posted from my blog at mmorpg.com which you can find here.
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